A lot of college students are finding that their requests for loans are being turned down. My own son is having this problem. As a result, people are getting pretty creative when it comes to making ends meet during this financial crisis we are experiencing. Earlier I posted on a man that sold his 14 year old daughter for money and beer. Now we have a beautiful young woman that is auctioning off her virginity.
You heard that right. The highest bidder will get to “spend one night” with the lovely California woman. In exchange, she will get the money she needs to finance school, and earn her masters degree. From the London Telegraph:
Natalie Dylan, 22, claims her offer of a one-night stand has persuaded 10,000 men to bid for sex with her.
Last September, when her auction came to light, she had received bids up to £162,000 ($243,000) but since then interest in her has rocketed.
The student who has a degree in Women’s Studies insisted she was not demeaning herself.
Miss Dylan, from San Diego, California, USA, said she was persuaded to offer herself to the highest bidder after her sister Avia, 23, paid for her own degree after working as a prostitute for three weeks.
She said she had had a lot of attention from a wide range of men, including “weirdos”, “those who get really graphically sexual about what they
want to do to me” and “lots of polite requests from rich businessmen”.
Miss Dylan said she did not think it was particularly significant to be willing to sell your virginity and insisted that she was happy to undergo medical tests for any doubters.
She said: “I get some men who are obviously looking for a girlfriend but I try and make it clear that this is a one-night-only offer.
“I know that a lot of people will condemn me for this because it’s so taboo but I really don’t have a problem with that.
“My study is completely authentic in that I truly am auctioning my virginity but I am not being sold into this. I’m not being taken advantage of in any way.
“I think me and the person I do it with will both profit greatly from the deal.”
She added: “It’s shocking that men will pay so much for someone’s virginity, which isn’t even prized so highly anymore.”
Note that her major is Women’s studies. I’m thinking the original feminists are rolling over in their graves. As a woman myself, I feel fairly qualified to comment on this story. I am not an object. I cannot be bought, sold or auctioned off. To imply otherwise is an assault to my dignity as both a woman and a human being.
I don’t know what disgusts me more. That she is willing to sell her body for tuition, or that thousands of men are willing to buy it. I can only assume that her Women’s Studies classes have prepared her in the event that she should become pregnant from this escapade. I mean, if she is willing to sell her body, chances are she’s willing destroy someone elses. So hold onto your virginity girls! You never know when it might come in handy. I wonder how she pays for her haircuts.
I’ll say it again –
When can we liberate from our liberation?
Where are the parent’s? The other sister prostituted herself? How disgusting is this?
She thinks virginity isn’t highly prized anymore? Even though men are willing to spend so much? does she have any brains at all?
Val,
does she have any brains at all?
perhaps she auctioned them off to pay for her car?
“I don’t know what disgusts me more. That she is willing to sell her body for tuition, or that thousands of men are willing to buy it.”
I think it’s most disgusting that graduate education is so bloody expensive that you need tens of thousands of dollars in loans to do it OR hooker yourself out to pay for your dang education so that you can get a well-paying job.
I don’t see anything wrong with what she’s doing- I just feel bad she feels it necessary to go about it that way to earn money instead of getting a you know…legal job.
well at least she’s getting something for treating her body as an object.
In the other post, the girl was giving it away for free…unless of course she gets a grade raise…
School has become pretty darn scary if you girls feel they have to prostitute themselves to get ahead.
Sounds like a step backwards to me, not a step forward!
“School has become pretty darn scary if you girls feel they have to prostitute themselves to get ahead.”
I would agree- chiefly because prostitution is illegal, and these women are putting their future careers and lives at risk by publically advocating their illegal activities that they are using in order to earn money.
I can’t remember if prostitution is a misdemeanor or a felony, but I doubt either would look too good if they came up on a background check when you’re interviewing for jobs.
I think we are all missing something. Isn’t she in London? Doesn’t London have better access to higher education? Isn’t that what we keep hearing about? The liberals keep telling us how great Europe’s educational system is.
Have we all forgotten that she already has a degree? Have we all forgotten that she somehow managed to pay for that?
This is a case of “instant gratification taking too long”. She doesn’t want to have to pay off loans and is so depraved in morality she sees nothing wrong with selling her own body to get what she wants.
When I was in college is was women working in strip clubs to make extra money. Now its prostitution. What a slippery slope that is! When will all this madness end? When will we stop abusing ourselves for instant gratification?
It’s sick on so many different levels. Our world is turning upside down and everyone seems to be encouraging it.
I’d act as an escort for a night (no sex, just the pleasure of my company) for $300. But hey if I liked a guy I’d probably go out with him for free : /
If you claim you don’t want to kill a baby that has DNA because it is a human (because of the DNA) then what if one woman has two sets of DNA? What if the second set of DNA creates a problem and is killing her, should she not get it removed? Could the DNA be considered a person? It has more human qualities then a fertilized egg but if you think a fertilized egg should have the same rights as a born baby then wouldn’t the rogue DNA have the same rights?
abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2315693
If DNA is what makes a person a human or a human a person shouldn’t a person with two sets of DNA get to vote twice? Should the other set of DNA get a name and a birth certificate and a social security number? Shouldn’t the DNA get government assistance?
It has human DNA and is not dead so by a pro-lifers criteria shouldn’t it be considered a separate person with the same rights as you and me?
Val,
The girl is from California. The newspaper is from the UK.
Miss Dylan, from San Diego, California, USA, said she was persuaded to offer herself to the highest bidder after her sister Avia, 23, paid for her own degree after working as a prostitute for three weeks.
Hi Jess,
I’m not sure I understand your point about a second DNA.
I’m wondering if they have considered what happens if Natalie becomes pregnant from this encounter. It wouldn’t surprise me if no one has thought about that. Abortion? Child support?
Sorry, Anon was me. Apparently this site doesn’t have a memory for commenters?
Oh shoot!! “Me” above is Janet
Maybe I should go back to bed for the day!
Follow the link I posted in my first comment Anonymous. It was about a woman with one brain, two lungs, two kidneys, one uterus, one spleen, etc… who had two sets of DNA. So is she one person or two? Does the second set of DNA get a birth certificate, a social security number, etc…?
@Jess: You mean a genetic chimera?
Having a set of DNA is only a necessary condition for being a human person, not a sufficient one.
“Have we all forgotten that she already has a degree? Have we all forgotten that she somehow managed to pay for that?”
@Valerie: It’s possible her parents paid for the undergraduate degree but will not pay for the graduate degree considering graduate degrees cost ~2-4x as much as an undergraduate degree.
Could the DNA be considered a person? It has more human qualities then a fertilized egg but if you think a fertilized egg should have the same rights as a born baby then wouldn’t the rogue DNA have the same rights?
I found the link. Very interesting story! I suppose you could point to similarities to the previous conjoined twins article, but a major difference is that those girls have two separate brains, therefore two personalities – they are two separate persons who share limbs and certain organs. One person having extra DNA seems like a very different situation to me. Who knows?
Janet,
I commented on that in the post…
I can only assume that her Women’s Studies classes have prepared her in the event that she should become pregnant from this escapade. I mean, if she is willing to sell her body, chances are she’s willing destroy someone elses.
mk,
The next question is whether she will discuss this with the guy beforehand, or not.
Jess,
That story is fascinating. Just finished reading the link…thank, btw.
While Bobby is right, having DNA doesn’t mean that the “person” is there. However, I would imagine that if a twin was conceived but was absorbed by it’s sibling, it (he/she) did exist at one time, and I would think that his/her person still exists in heaven.
But we can’t know for sure, can we? Was the body part of a soul? Hmmmm…very, very interesting.
True Janet. With parental laws, he could end up paying for his own child’s college education as well as hers…lol.
NEWSFLASH: Women have been earning tuition money by prostitution like forever.
Prostitutes are skilled professionals. Their work should not be criminalized.
Awww man, looks like I REALLY missed the boat on this one.
Considering how the government is helping me SO MUCH with paying for this past semester which was a grand total of $500, I might have considered it. If I still had some virginity to auction off, but alas, I do not.
SoMG,
People have been doing a lot of things “forever”, but doing things “forever” does not mean those things are “right”…
MK –
My mistake….however the rest of my comment stands. My husband is going to college right now through loans and grants. There is help out there. Anyone can get these as long as you keep your grades up. There are tons of scholarships – I’ve been going through those for me and I’ve spent more than 3 days total going through all the available scholarships and I’m still not finished. There is no excuse to sell your body to go to school even here in America.
If you have good enough grades and can’t get a scholarship there are tons of wealthy people who will pay for part of your education – its a tax write off for them because its a donation.
It’s called taking some time out and going through all your resources. You may have to wait an extra semester before going, but it’s better than demeaning yourself. I’m doing all this research with 2 special needs kids, a hubby that travels for a living and a part time job. Everyone has the time if your willing to put that time in.
MK –
hmmpfff…. I was going to say the same thing to SoMG – our great minds really do think alike!
Jess –
The reason a human embryo is a human being deserving of human rights is because there is no chance it can be anything else but human. That code has destined that group of cells as human. The 2 separate DNA in a person who is a Chimera is one person with 2 DNA codes, it’s that simple. You cannot remove one set of DNA and one set of DNA isn’t going to cause death to that person. They are both alive and they are both one person.
This story, although very interesting and I loved reading it, has nothing to do with the human rights of an unborn child in any stage of development. A human is a human no matter how small. (my kids just got Horton hears a who!) and a Human is a human no matter how complex.
This is extremely disturbing. You have to wonder what tragic event moved her from valuing her virginity to auctioning it off. Nothing will convince me that this is about the cost of grad school. I think it is obvious that she has somehow been deeply wounded and this is her response. Perhaps it is her way of lashing out at the person who hurt her, or perhaps it is simply a cry for help. Either way, this is an incredibly sad story, and with a daughter away at school, a very, very scary one too.
MK, you’re right that doing things forever doesn’t make them right.
But not being right doesn’t mean a thing should be criminalized. Drinking to excess is not right.
Prostitutes should be regulated, unionized, and taxes. Not criminalized.
Great idea SoMG! So we can legalize the abuse of women through prostitution. Excellent.
Do you honestly think ANY woman would willingly become a prostitute? Some may say they do, but most have a history of some kind of sexual abuse. No self-respecting woman would consider this a reasonable profession and most would love to get out of but feel they’ve no real way to accomplish this. Some are so damaged by what they’ve been through….
I feel disgusted by this young woman. And how terribly sad that she can’t think of a more dignified way to raise money – like actually getting a friggin job and saving. Maybe that would entail hard work and sacrifice. Heaven help her that she has to sacrifice.
I’m sure the next thing will be that she will film the encounter and sell it to the playboy channel. I only hope the poor man that gets suckered into this knows what he’s in for!
Well, just goes to show the affordability crisis of higher education in this country.
Fees at my school (a commuter school intended mainly for working families or others who cannot afford to go elsewhere) may have a fee hike as high as 15% next semester. This isn’t going to bode well for those families. We’re going to be fighting/protesting these raises as far as we can, and go after Deval Patrick for cutting higher ed so heavily. Might fight for stimulus dollars from Obama’s stimulus plan as well.
MA keeps cutting funds to higher ed, but it’s shooting itself in the foot. College is essentially the basis of our state’s economy. Ugh.
Dan –
Fight and then fight some more. However, remember all those scholarships that are available that no one seems to know about. If you need that info, I can get it to you.
Patricia, you wrote: “Great idea SoMG! So we can legalize the abuse of women through prostitution. Excellent.”
Prostitution is not abuse. FORCED prostitution is. And I’m not just talking about women. Men are prostitutes too.
You wrote: “Do you honestly think ANY woman would willingly become a prostitute?”
Yes. And, I know people who would not become full-time prostitutes but would happily practice prostitution on the side to make extra bucks every now and then.
You wrote: “Some may say they do, but most have a history of some kind of sexual abuse.”
You think a history of sexual abuse implies you can’t make decisions for yourself freely or “willingly”???
You wrote: “No self-respecting woman would consider this a reasonable profession and most would love to get out of but feel they’ve no real way to accomplish this.”
(* shrug *) You could say the same about models. Or lawyers.
You wrote: “I feel disgusted by this young woman.”
Nice compassion. The Rabbi from Nazareth would be proud of you!
You wrote: “And how terribly sad that she can’t think of a more dignified way to raise money – like actually getting a friggin job and saving.”
I’ll bet she makes money faster by prostituting.
NEWSFLASH: Sex-industry workers are not very different from everybody else. (My mom wrote a novel with a prostitute in it and she interviewed a lot of them and she would dress up like one and go hang out with them.)
You wrote: “Maybe that would entail hard work and sacrifice. Heaven help her that she has to sacrifice.”
She IS sacrificing. Her virginity.
I don’t really understand why people want to bone virgins. They tend to be awkward and tight. Then again people seem to have all kinds of sexual desires I don’t understand.
Valerie-
I’m covered all four years if I keep a 3.2. I’m more concerned about the “non-traditional” students that the school serves, along with those who couldn’t afford to go anywhere else. Education ought to be a right, not a privilege.
Dan –
As a non-traditional (soon to be – again!) student, the money is there. You just have to know where to look. Non-traditional students actually have a huge advantage when it comes to low interest loans.
Education is a right to the 12th grade. After that there are scholarships, grants, loans and many other avenues to take. Once again – it takes work and you might not get to go to school right when you want to, but you’ll go.
All that said – tuition needs to be on a sliding scale. I would have no problems with that. I have huge problems with everyone getting tuition paid considering the amount of drop outs and flunky’s there are. (And this is from a former flunky!)
I failed my business stats class. I was the only none business major there, I took it because my Mom said one day she would like to own a business with me. I am so horribly depressed about it.
The only bright spot is my GPA went up because I did get three A’s and a B in my other classes.
Oh tuition in our state is nothing. Tuition waivers are given out like free candy in a manner of speaking. It’s the fees. Tuition is only 1700. Fees are the remainder of the 9-12 thousand or so. Those are much harder to cover with scholarships and loans, especially with the economy the way it is now.
We’re working towards free college education here, eventually. A pilot program for free community college is set to roll out soon. Patrick wants to roll it out first for low income families, the organization I’m a member of simply wants a few select, strategically placed schools to run the program for a year as a pilot and see what challenges/costs/etc crop up that may or may not be expected.
There is only so much money out there. Yes, there is more money then some might lead you to think, but I couldn’t afford to go to my top choice. I must have applied for around 100 scholarships or so, and got NOTHING. I got need based from the government, along with some merit based from the government and from the schools I applied to. I couldnt afford to come out 120,000 dollars in debt, so that’s how I ended up at UMB.
My friend and I were joking around one day about having a sliding refund scale. Like if you do well , you get some of the money you paid back that you could put towards books, other credit hours, or living expenses. It was half jokingly, but I think it’d be an interesting program to try out somewhere
Why should it only be a right through 12th grade though? Why shouldn’t people be allowed to better themselves through education, or retool during times like this?
Cutting financial aid and raising fees like is going to happen is just shooting MA in the foot. Our economy is essentially based in people getting their degree and staying in the state. Some study was released last week saying how MA has one of the largest numbers of college graduates in the nation giving the state a long term advantage. It seems their willing to sacrifice any economic advantage for short term relief, and its an awful strategy IMO.
Jess, I have taken and taught many statistics classes and my experience has been that the courses in professional schools (business, law, even medicine) are very badly designed, in a way pursuing an impossible goal, to teach people many of whom have no math inclination what some of the numbers actually mean.
The true purpose seems to be, to impress the students with how difficult and important statistics is. And to teach a little vocabulary, just enough to talk with statisticians about whether your data really prove anything.
To read what happens when people overcompartmentalize essential expertise and try use technical vocabulary they don’t understand, read “Mr. Feynman Goes to Washington” which is a section of a book called WHAT DO YOU CARE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK?.
You should take the undergrad stats courses and be prepared for a long haul if you want to really get into that stuff. If for some reason you must take a professional stats course, the one least likely to suck would be in the grad school of epidemiology.
What’s your major?
My major is English with a concentration in creative writing. Yes I was the only non-business major in the class. I took a business course in high school (which was obviously totally different then the class in college) and was even in the business club. I went to a conference with them and won a medal for a test we took. Unfortunately after a year budget cuts forced the school to cut business and the club.
Dan –
“My friend and I were joking around one day about having a sliding refund scale. Like if you do well , you get some of the money you paid back that you could put towards books, other credit hours, or living expenses. It was half jokingly, but I think it’d be an interesting program to try out somewhere”
That sound like a great idea. You should try to propose it at your state congress. Great incentives to do well.
And why only to 12 grade? Because you can get a decent paying job with a high school diploma. You won’t get rich, but you’ll be able to save money. Before that, its difficult to get a job that pays higher than minimum wage.
I have a friend who has her GED. She dropped out of high school when she was 16. Before her GED she couldn’t get a job that paid well. After her GED she is making over $30,000 a year! Plus, her boss is going to pay for her to go to college.
and that’s another thing – there are many companies that have tuition reimbursement. My sisters friend was sent to law school by the company she worked for. That was 8 years that they paid for. She did have to sign a contract that she would work for them for X amount of time. But she has no plans on leaving. I think my sister also had some help in tuition when she went back to school to be a RN from the hospital she is now working at.
SoMG –
I love statistics but hate statistic classes! I do much better without a teacher. I guess it doesn’t hurt that I have my husband to answer my questions about it.
Jess –
“My major is English with a concentration in creative writing”
That is what I want to go back to school for!!!!